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By TED SILLANPAA

The Golden State Warriors have a team filled with complimentary players. Forward Carl Landry and guard Jarrett Jack come off the bench to do things every championship team needs done in every game all season long. Andrew Bogut, when healthy, will defend the rim and do things offensively that a playoff team asks a big man to do. Stephen Curry is a lights-out shooter, one of the best in the NBA. Power forward David Lee does all sorts of things well offensively and can try to defend at two positions.

Those five are proven professional NBA players. Curry is a second-tier star, trying to play point guard when his true value is as a spot-up shooter.

The Warriors have a problem. A big problem. A problem that diminishes the value of Curry, Bogut and the rest. NBA contenders have a star player who takes the game over whenever he’s needed or whenever he can. Second-year swingman Klay Thompson has shown that he could become an NBA star, better than Curry. He’s 6-foot-7 and he can stroke it from the perimeter, but he’s also willing to go to the rim … to try to make a play. He’s a far better defender than Curry, too. He has, as basketball folks say, length.

Thompson might become a star. He’s on the road to being able to grab games by the throat. In Friday’s loss to the Memphis Grizzlies, Thompson went far too long without touching the ball in the second half. The Warriors lost. Guys ready to be NBA stars don’t let much time pass before they demand the ball.

Thompson has a way to go before we know if he can be the star who makes Curry, Landry, Bogut, Jack and others more than a collection of good players who can’t compete in a league where great players win championships.

Warriors’ fans are thinking, “They have a kid who has everything it takes to be an NBA star. He was a freakin’ lottery pick. He fell to the Warriors in the draft after some teams felt he was the best player available in the draft. Harrison Barnes is going to be a star in the NBA!”

Hey, I thought so, too.

I thought Barnes was a steal at No. 8 overall. He was a 6-foot-8, 210-pound forward out of North Carolina who was supposed to be the next Kobe Bryant coming out of high school. I followed his two-year college career, where he was the first true freshman ever chosen preseason All-American. After Barnes wowed the Warriors with breathtaking pre-draft workouts, I convinced myself that the fact that Barnes didn’t take college games by the throat and that he disappeared in all the big games didn’t mean anything.

I thought Barnes would be one of those great athletes who just doesn’t prosper in the more regimented college game. Free from coach Roy Williams’ structured offense, it was easy to leap to the conclusion that Barnes was simply an NBA player. He’d become something closer to the next Kobe when he joined the Warriors.

Based on early results, I was wrong. Barnes has about 10, 12 years to prove me right.

Barnes appears to be one of those guys who has exceptional basketball skills. He can shoot, pass, run the court and he’ll rebound. Heck, he can defend, too. There’s just something missing. Effort? Hustle? Desire? The Warriors had another big-time player, chosen in the lottery out of a college hoop powerhouse. Remember when Mike Dunleavy was drafted out of Duke? He had all sorts of skill, but he never became an NBA star. For the first couple of years in his career with Golden State, he floated around and showed only glimpses of the star people thought he would be.

For the record, I’ve waited roughly a decade and Dunleavy has become a competent NBA player, but not the star that I insisted he would become.

Barnes isn’t exactly a young Dunleavy. Dunleavy was more involved in the offense from the start than Barnes is now. He understood the game and tried to do some things that he just couldn’t do as well in the NBA as he did in college.

Dunleavy’s effort and simple technique was never questioned. On Friday night, Warriors’ analyst Jim Barnett say said of Barnes’defensive effort: “I’d like to see him keep him man in front of him more often.”

If a defender can’t do anything else, he has to be able to keep his man in front of him. So, Barnett was saying Barnes couldn’t do the first thing a defender has to do. Ouch!

There’s another concern.

Barnes was defending Grizzlies’ star Rudy Gay through much of the game. Gay seemed remarkably bigger than Barnes, who is listed at 6-foot-8, 210 pounds, remember? Barnes looked small chasing Gay around the court.

Then, as a Warriors teammate shot free throws, Barnes stood in the background next to Jack. Jack and Barnes looked roughly the same height, the same weight. Jack is listed at 6-foot-3, 197 pounds.

Woa! What? Wait. The physical specimen the Warriors stole at No. 8 is a 6-foot-5 1/2 small forward who can’t handle the ball well enough to play guard? OK. Maybe Barnes is 6-foot-6. He’s not 6-foot-8, though, because Gay is listed at 6-8, 230 and he’s taller than Barnes. A lot taller. And, no, Gay’s not lying about really being 6-10.

Based on two games, Barnes is as willing to float around on the perimeter in the NBA as he was in college. He’s hesitant to go to the hoop. Barnett rightly noted, when Barnes started to the hoop only to stop and pass back out to Curry, that there was a situation where he expects Barnes to be willing to try to make a play on his own. That was the only time Barnes got near making a play off the dribble.

It doesn’t take a guy who wants the ball and has the desire to make a play long to show it in the NBA. Look at Weber State rookie point guard Damian Lillard with the Portland Trail Blazers. The guy hit the NBA with that bravado and desire to go with offensive skill he showed in college and during those pre-draft workouts. Barnes played at one of the premier basketball colleges in the country in the premiere conference and he has shown no desire to put his stamp on the game like the guard out of Weber State has in Portland.

Two games is a small sample size. Obviously. Perhaps, if Barnes stands around on the court for a week or a month, he’ll get a feel for the game. He never really found the game the world loved in high school while he was at North Carolina, though, so I’m not counting on him finding the game that made him the most ballyhooed high school senior in recent history returning to him now that he’s in the NBA.

Barnes’ lackluster play so far, on the heels of a college career where he let down those who expected him to dominate,  puts a world of pressure on Golden State’s Klay Thompson to be the star that a winning team needs.

Barnes will have a nice NBA career. The Warriors need a star. So, the pressure is on Thompson.

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  1. speedee

    your doomed to fail when you play for the Dodger owners

    November 3rd, 2012 9:13 am

  2. calcat

    Maybe you need glasses. Barnes measured 6′ 7″ without shoes at the draft combine (they make no effort to exaggerate height) and Gay measured the exact same height without shoes at his draft combine. How you see no difference between him and the 6′ 2 1/2″ inch without shoes Jack is bizarre. What is even stranger is that you express the view with such confidence given that no one else has raised the slightest concern about Barnes’ height. Perhaps I misread the tone of this article wrong and failed to realize you were making a joke.

    November 3rd, 2012 4:15 pm

  3. Che Cazzo Stai Dicendo?

    Barnes is a great athlete who dominated weak competition in HS and never produced in the clutch for UNC. Maybe someone will find the switch to turn him on, but there’s always been a lot of guys with NBA star talent who just don’t want to put in that last little bit that separates the greats from the rest. Just not a bad enough case of the “want to’s”, I guess.

    November 3rd, 2012 5:12 pm

  4. D Urrutia

    This may be the most absurd article I’ve ever read. Who is this guy, and why is he talking about a sport he clearly doesn’t understand?

    First off, Klay Thompson did NOTHING in his first two or three months in the NBA except sit on the bench…and you’re judging Barnes after two games?

    Second point–Barnes is 6’8″, and if you’d bothered to watch any of the summer league or the pre-season you would have seen an explosive, powerful small forward who is going to be an excellent NBA player. Barnes may or may not be a star, but he will be effective, and he will score.

    Finally, learn a little humility, hotshot. If Jerry West thinks the kid can play, and you’re judging the player’s skills and athleticism after TWO games, who the hell do you think you are? West is the est talent evaluator in the last thirty years. You are not.

    November 3rd, 2012 6:33 pm

  5. Paul

    Like all Warriors fans Ted, hoping you’re wrong. But he’s obviously shown little in the first two games. With Rush out, and extended minutes coming … we’ll see how the kid responds.

    November 3rd, 2012 6:33 pm

  6. overtime

    Paul…Thanks for checking in. I appreciate you reading the stuff. Losing Brandon Rush makes Barnes all the more important. I’m sure there have been highly-touted lottery picks who started slowly and came on later, obviously. I just followed Harrison Barnes from “The Next Kobe” coming out of high school through 2 years at UNC and … what I’ve seen thus far in the NBA is very reflective of his game in college. He’ll have a good NBA career … just like Mike Dunleavy’s had one. TED

    November 3rd, 2012 9:08 pm

  7. overtime

    Urrutia…Thanks for reading. Anybody who refers to someone he doesn’t know as “hot shot” probably ought to stop short of suggesting the OTHER guy learn a little humility. Summer league evaluation, huh? OK, then … your opinion is appreciated and duly noted. Ted

    November 3rd, 2012 9:11 pm

  8. overtime

    Che…Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. I appreciate it. It’s the continuation through a couple games of the things lots folks worried about in Barnes’ college career, even in high school, that’s disconcerting. Stay in touch. TED

    November 3rd, 2012 9:13 pm

  9. overtime

    Calcat…Thanks for reading. You’re right. I need glasses. Wait! I just got new glasses. You can’t tell me what I saw, right? I appreciate the research of combine heights. You can feel free to watch Barnes closely and see how big he looks to you and come back and share what you saw. I didn’t express any know-it-all type confidence…I just shared what I saw. (If you come looking for the writer who never admits being wrong and won’t admit opinion isn’t fact … you’re in the wrong spot. Barnes looked smaller to me.) Really do appreciate you reading. Ted

    November 3rd, 2012 9:18 pm

  10. overtime

    Speedee…Don’t tell Sandy Koufax, Steve Garvey et., al. that. They’d disagree. TED

    November 3rd, 2012 9:19 pm

  11. Tee

    Its obvious that Barnes is finding his way in the NBA. The kid can score in a variety of ways, its really about can Mark Jackson trust him. When he does give the kid th

    November 4th, 2012 2:30 am

  12. Kokko

    Here are the official combine results: http://www.news-record.com/blog/56101/entry/145774

    By the way, another mistake…
    Barnes was chosen with the 7th, not the 8th pick

    For me, Barnes is right now a superb athlete who needs at least a year to get intuitive on his moves. He has a great work ethic, and great character, but is lacking in passion.
    When he finds that, he’ll rise to the next level.
    For now, he’s a little clumsy and predictable one-on-one at the nba level. That should change after a year or two in the pros.
    Don’t forget, he’s only 20 yrs young.

    November 4th, 2012 6:27 am

  13. Omnipotent One

    Ted! After watching Barnes game vs. the Clippers last night it is obvious that you need to go back to covering Girls High School Basketball. More your speed and skill level.

    November 4th, 2012 11:23 am

  14. Dave

    Was going to post about the combine numbers, but it looks like others have that covered.

    November 4th, 2012 11:43 am

  15. Samoasoftball

    Harrison Barnes has started 3 games at forward for the Warriors. He has 4 rebounds total. I could run around and have the ball fall on me that many times with the way NBA palyers shoot! I do agree that we will see how he reacts with no Rush backing him up.

    November 4th, 2012 12:07 pm

  16. overtime

    Samoa…Thanks so much for reading and sharing your thoughts. Stay in touch. TED

    November 4th, 2012 12:57 pm

  17. overtime

    Ominipotent…Thanks for reading. It’d be cool to know what you saw that in the Clippers game that led you to think covering girls basketball is some fom of punishment. I enjoy the sport and I enjoy writing. If the worst thing that happened to me professionally was covering prep girls basketball … I’d be doing pretty well. TED

    November 4th, 2012 12:59 pm

  18. overtime

    Kokko…Thanks for the insight. I appreciate you taking time to read. We agree. You weren’t writing that Harrison Barnes will be the big-time NBA star he was expected to be when he was the next big thing coming out of high school. I wrote that he’ll have a nice NBA career. Did you follow his career at UNC at all? Ted

    November 4th, 2012 1:01 pm

  19. overtime

    Tee…Thanks for reading. I know the Warriors trust him and that he can a lot of things. He’ll have a nice NBA career…Mike Dunleavy did. Ted

    November 4th, 2012 1:01 pm

  20. Spence

    Hmm lots of comments about Barnes not coming through in the clutch, or disappearing in big games. Do you remember his freshman year when he hit 7 game winning or go ahead shots for UNC?? 40 point outburst where he took over a game in the acc tourney? People crowned him the king of clutch after those game winnig shots he ha all year.

    His sophomore March was not as impressive, and that obviously had something to do with Marshall going down. Losing your top play maker definitely has an effect. Marshall got the assist on most of Barnes game winning shots actually. Also, barnes was playing on a bum ankle the second half of his sophomore year…

    Just saying, this kid is great in the clutch. People are just fickle ad only remember the last game they saw. Hence the “he’s not going to be a star” analysis after two games in the NBA. Bet you also think the Lakers will stay in las place all year.

    November 4th, 2012 1:54 pm

  21. D Urrutia

    If you really don’t understand why judging a player after TWO games is foolish, then it’s pointless to discuss talent evaluation, much less the adjustment necessary from college to pro sports.

    Can you imagine yourself explaining to a pro evaluator like Jerry West the logic of such a judgment? How did Buster Posey look to you after his second big league game? How about Steve Nash? Andrew Luck? Would anyone who wanted to be taken seriously for his opinion about talent write such an article? And by the way, did you see the kid last night attack the basket and beat Blake Griffin for perhaps the key bucket in an impressive road win? His third game in the league, and Harrison sure looks to have improved in the last two days.

    I hadn’t read your work before, but such an article will be an embarrassment to you going forward. Give any player at least half a season (I’d argue two seasons) before “capping” their ability. Sound fair?

    November 4th, 2012 3:27 pm

  22. overtime

    Urrutia … You’ve judged me on one opinion piece. How is that different than making a determination on a player’s NBA ceiling based on 3 amateur seasons (high school and college) and into the NBA? If Barnes becomes a breakthrough star, fantastic! It wouldn’t leave me embarrassed for explaining an opinion based on following Barnes for 3 years and into his NBA career. NBA insiders love Barnes? Great! Chris Mullin once thought that Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy and Andris Biedrins were worth paying to become certain franchise cornerstones. (I understand the point you’re trying to make about Buster Posey, Andrew Luck, etc. … but, you couldn’t find anyone who wasn’t virtually certain they would achieve at the highest levels. There are people in the NBA and who followed Barnes in college who have reservations about him.)

    I enjoy a reasoned discussion and hope you’ll read more and stay in touch. TED

    November 4th, 2012 5:01 pm

  23. overtime

    Spenc…Thanks for reading. How’d Barnes do in tournament games? Cranking up the excuse machine? A bum ankle? OK. If he turns out to be a stud who imposes his will on games, outstanding. Ted

    November 4th, 2012 5:01 pm

  24. D Urrutia

    Two words: Jerry West. Now tell me the names of the “talent evaluators” you are alluding to here. How many championships have their teams won? The Warriors finally have a clue, and if you don’t see that (after thirty-five years of futility) you’re not paying attention.

    But what strikes me here is that you’ve ignored my main criticism: you’ve argued Klay Thompson, another West “evaluation” has star potential. Yet Thompson did nothing during the first two months last year. So why judge Barnes are two games? Would any pro evaluator do that? This article was thoughtless, literally.

    November 4th, 2012 6:05 pm

  25. overtime

    Urrutia … You’re choosing to ignore that Barnes played and under-achieved as a senior in high school, then under-achieved in college … where he was good, a star, but was expected to be THE star. Klay Thompson got better and better throughout his college career. When he got playing time with the Warriors, he improved quickly. Barnes came to the organization as the guy, I’m told, they would’ve drafted if they had the No. 1 pick overall. That puts a completely different set of expectations on Barnes than there were on Thompson.

    Every talent evaluator involved with the teams who passed on Barnes found shortcomings that, you insist, Jerry West doesn’t see. College coaches and scouts questioned Barnes’ desire, hustle, ability to assert control of games at a level his physical talent indicated he could. Don’t call me “thoughtless” because we disagree. Just … disagree.

    I appreciate your well conceived thoughts. But, we simply disagree and you’re choosing to ignore than I’m referencing 3-plus seasons of his performances that have consistently fallen short of expectations.
    Ted

    November 4th, 2012 7:14 pm

  26. NotSoOldBlue

    So he did look like a boy playing against a man (Gay) in that Phoenix game. You can argue about how they measured up in the combine, but it was clear on TV that he is just smaller and it would clearly be a tough match up for him.

    On the other hand, he made an important clutch shot the following night against the Clippers. Went to the hoop…

    November 4th, 2012 10:22 pm

  27. overtime

    OldBlue…Thanks for reading. You’re right, he came up with a big hoop against the Clippers. He’s got a ton of talent and skill. It will be interesting to watch him grow and mature. Ted

    November 4th, 2012 10:50 pm

  28. D Urrutia

    The point here is not a “disagreement”; you’re simply ignoring the absurdity of judging a 20-year-old kid after two pro games. And Barnes didn’t “under-achieve” as a senior in high school, he was the top recruit in the country, so please don’t make up your facts to change the subject. A ten second Google search makes such dodges pointless.

    Finally, the Warriors never had this kid as the #1 player coming out in this draft–Anthony Davis would have been their pick.

    Why can’t you simply admit that your article was a mistake? Barnes may or may not be a “star” in this league, but after two games no one knows. The premise of your argument was foolish. It happens.

    November 5th, 2012 1:13 am

  29. overtime

    Urrutia…In order to know whether a high school senior or college player reached expectations, you’d have to have followed his career … not done a 10 second online search. It’s sort of a given among all of us who follows sports that anything can happen. Anthony Davis was a unanimous No. 1 … the debate pre-draft was over who would go in what order, obviously. Lots of other readers seem to think that Barnes won’t be a star. We’ll find out over time. (Note:I wouldn’t try to close an argument by admitting I did a Google search for information.) Ted

    November 5th, 2012 1:05 pm

  30. D Urrutia

    Well, if “lots of other readers seem think that Barnes won’t be a star” that pretty much settles the question.

    What surprises me is the way you so comfortably dodge from your own stated “facts.”

    1) Harrison Barnes was not an “under-achiever” in high school; he was the consensus top recruit in the nation as a senior.

    2) You say that you were “told” the Warriors would have drafted him with the #1 pick in the entire draft, if they’d gotten that lucky in the lottery, then you backtrack and admit Anthony Davis was everybody’s top pick.

    3) After trying to bash Barnes with Klay Thompson’s “star’ potential, you say that Thompson only improved toward the end of his rookie season because he couldn’t get any playing time–and, in fact, wasn’t ready to play, much less start–as he opened his NBA career.

    Yet Barnes is ready; he looked awfully strong in crunch time against the Clippers in only his 3rd game.

    I do hope you’ll acknowledge a mistake if Barnes starts his entire rookie year and plays well. We will be watching.

    November 5th, 2012 3:45 pm

  31. overtime

    Urrutia…I’ve given you more time and attention than any writer I know would give a guy who simply disagrees with him and wants the writer to acknowledge his opinion is wrong before his opinion has been proven wrong. Only time and Barnes becoming a star makes my opinion wrong. I can’t take more time with a reader who admits going to Google for information on Barnes’ background. TED

    November 5th, 2012 4:50 pm

  32. D Urrutia

    Ted, Ted, Ted…the Google line was a joke. You’re showing your age here.

    But the point is we don’t “disagree”; neither of us has a clue whether Barnes will be a star. And anyone who follows sports carefully would never gauge an athlete’s potential two games into a career. If you don’t see the error in your logic, that’s troubling, but at least let the kid play for half a season before slamming him.

    November 5th, 2012 10:28 pm

  33. overtime

    DU….Age? Actually, you just sound like someone who watched Barnes play 3 NBA games and DID Google him to find out what he did the previous 3 years. You think I judged Barnes on 3 NBA games, while I’ve watched him and read about him and talked to people about him for 3 years. Time will tell if he becomes a star. Right now, I don’t think he’ll become a star. Ted

    November 6th, 2012 9:16 pm

  34. Myk04

    Did u watch the game tonight? Harrison doesnt look too bad to me? Hes a rookie!! Hes only 20yrs old.

    November 14th, 2012 11:14 pm

  35. overtime

    Myk…Thanks for checking in and, yep, 19 points, 13 boards…2 clutch free throws. Big night for Harrison Barnes. The Warriors need a star to emerge to be a real big-time contender. I’m sure not rooting against the guy becoming a star. TED

    November 15th, 2012 12:17 am

  36. Dan

    Ted, i know that Harrison came from Iowa so he must have played “weak” competition right? What about traveling around the country playing AAU ball and dominating? I have seen Harrison multiple times in person and he’s all of 6’7″. He is a young man with a very high ceiling. For you to sit back and judge his play after 2 games is absolutely insane. State some facts in an article once in a while, because spewing these absurd opinions just makes you look ignorant.

    November 16th, 2012 1:10 pm

  37. overtime

    Dan…Thanks for reading. Funny, I disagree with you … and I’ve followed his career. But, I’m not compelled to call you “ignorant” for saying he has a “high ceiling” when I think he’s a fellow who starts with a “high floor” who hasn’t gotten a great deal better since watching he was playing in the most worthless brand of basketball going … AAU ball. Time will tell whether or not Barnes can be the star the Warriors really need. TED

    November 16th, 2012 5:54 pm

  38. Mike

    This is a terrible analysis and article from top to bottom. How the hell can you predict how good Barnes will be after not even a full month. Not even a month into the season I watched a guy play excellent the last two games. 18 points 9 rebounds and 19 points 13 rebounds. The kid is actually getting minutes and more involved with the offense. Funny how they are 2 – 0 after those last two games. You said he never came up clutch at UNC? I guess you dont watch ACC conference play, because you missed two games where he dominated Clemson and FSU. Oh, and he had game winners in both of those games. Terrible analysis on your part Big Ted.

    November 17th, 2012 11:02 am

  39. overtime

    Mike…Thanks for reading. The goal is to get readers … get readers to share their thoughts. I couldn’t care less over whether or not you agree with me. Stay in touch. TED

    November 17th, 2012 12:42 pm

  40. Sean

    Wow, did your seriously just judge and 20 year old kids entire career on his first 2 NBA games? I hope you feel good watching him drop 19 and 13 and then 18 the next night. Just cause he was over hyped in high school you expect him to be Michael in his rookie year? He not even the third scoring option and that’s his natural talent. Give the kid some time to develop his game before you rip him in a half-assed article where you basically call the Warriors title contenders and claim Barnes is dragging them down you HACK.

    November 18th, 2012 11:40 am

  41. overtime

    Sean…I don’t really care if you agree with me. And, calling names? Wow! Sticks n’ stones, pal … thanks for reading, though. Maybe after you’ve followed Harrison Barnes for 3 years like I have we’ll agree … either that he’s an NBA star or that he didn’t quite become an NBA star. TED

    November 18th, 2012 12:49 pm

  42. Zakk

    You have got to be kidding me? Harrison Barnes is a rookie. A good rookie, so what he is not kid clutch yet. He will be. Barnes is 6 7 and a half so that part of your article is barred. Mark my words by all star break this kid will have 10 plus double doubles and possibly one triple double. He is one of the best in his class!

    November 19th, 2012 6:05 pm

  43. Aaron

    “He never really found the game the world loved in high school while he was at North Carolina, though, so I’m not counting on him finding the game that made him the most ballyhooed high school senior in recent history returning to him now that he’s in the NBA.

    Barnes will have a nice NBA career. The Warriors need a star. So, the pressure is on Thompson.”

    ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME GAMES OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

    Klay a SHOOTER is shooting 34.9% from the field and takes about 14 shots a game to average 14 points

    Barnes is shooting 48.8% from the field…In the last four games (THE ONLY GAMES SO FAR WHERE BARNES HAS SHOT MORE THAN TIMES) Barnes is averaging 17.25 points per game…He’s also averaging 8.75 rebounds per game in that stretch…

    In that same stretch Klay is averaging 7.5 points per game…

    SO EITHER YOU REALLY LOVE KLAY OR YOU ARE TRYING YOUR HARDEST TO NOT SEE THAT BARNES WILL BE SOMETHING SPECIAL…

    And don’t give that BULLSHIT answer that you don’t care what others say…You obviously took the time to carefully craft your opinion I presume…You also were certain that Barnes would underachieve as you believed he UNDERACHIEVED in high school and at carolina…You claim to have heard many coaches say he lacked desire and a work ethic (THIS I CAN SAY IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE)…

    I’m just baffled at the thought that you believe Thompson is the “star”…

    November 19th, 2012 11:48 pm

  44. clasik808

    Hey Ted,
    just read the article and all the comments below. I’ve been following Barnes since his senior year in highschool. I’ll agree that he didn’t perform to his expectations in college. But you must also realize that in college he was playing with 3 guys who could easily score 20+ points per game (zeller, Henson, and Marshall). They had a spread offense so that barnes didnt have to score that much to win. i believe that if he went to a school like weber state where he didn’t have the whole offense run by an point guard (marshall) where every play was centered with him making plays for his team mates Barnes could averaged 25+ points easily. Hence why lillard has the upper hand on all the rookies right now. He hasn’t been giving that opportunity until his last 2 college games when Marshall got injured, and by that time it was to late. Barnes has all the tools to become a superstar in the league and I believe he will. He just needs some time to adjust. His first few nba games were average and he seemed afraid to do anything aggressive offensively. But now after a few weeks in the league he’s playing great. Attacking the basket and going after boards. hes finally learning how to play his game! He’s getting comfortable now and confident. he is believing in his skills and i think if he keeps this up, and works on some 1 on 1 moves he’s ROY for sure. I’m not saying he’ll be a Jordan but he’ll be a hell of a lot better then dunleavy! But hey what do I know? I’m just a fan. only time will tell. thanks for the article. let me know what u think.

    November 20th, 2012 3:24 am

  45. mike barnett

    Ted, I am an avid UNC fan and have also been following his career for 3 years. I’m going to disagree with you on a few points.

    1. What makes Barnes senior year in HS disappointing?
    He won back to back state championships undefeated and was the number 1 recruit.

    2. Barnes UNC career?
    Barnes scored over 1,000 points, scored 40 in a game, hit multiple game winning shots, won 2 ACC reg season champs, and avgd 17 points a game while sharing the ball with at least 3 first round draft picks and possibly even more. He was also playing alongside 3 All ACC players. In a highly structured offense that looks inside first. Played on 2 Elite 8 teams. UK shot 54% from 3 his frosh yr and they lost and marshall was injured his soph year. Which leads to my final point.

    3. Barnes is not great at attacking the basket and didn’t improve his game much in college?

    This is only partially true. Barnes wasn’t a great attacker as a frosh but he was adequate (ask Milton Jennings). As a soph he was alleged to have improved but he didn’t get as many opportunties to show that improvement with the lane being crowed with defenders because of henson and zeller. Also barnes needed to play within the system which meant less creating because thats the PGs job in UNCs system.

    Finally I would say barnes star potential is clearly evident as his NBA performances have improved. Barnes not unlike a lot of players had his game constrained sum in UNCs system. He can speak intelligently in Interviews and has icewater in his veins in crunchtime again see fla state, miami, and clemson games from his college career as well as this recent game against the mavs. Lastly as far as passion goes see the UK game his frosh year after a tip dunk. Assert your will in a game 40 against clemson, also as faras him guarding rudy gay in summer league. Gay is now a NBA vet with lots of exp. That’s was barnes first summer league give him a lil time in that matchup

    November 20th, 2012 4:15 pm

  46. OverTimeDud

    Did Obertime see the last handful of games the Black Falcon has played ? Was he watching the DUNK OF THE YEAR last night or did he miss it while searching his hoarding fridge for leftover Hungry Man’s turkey dinners.

    November 25th, 2012 9:23 pm

  47. Ted

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts…I appreciate that you read long enough to disagree. Seriously. I’m willing to continue to hope the Warriors come up with a big-time star…think Thompson’s more likely…and be happy to admit I was wrong if Barnes becomes the star you think he can become. I don’t think I want to go game by game…82 games over the next 7 to 10 years…rating Barnes on the “Is He a Star?” meter though. TED

    November 25th, 2012 10:42 pm

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    Dud…Thanks for reading. If you’re going to pull out “Black Falcon,” save the snark, OK? The Black Falcon!?!? When did they hold the Dunk of the Year vote? Ted

    November 26th, 2012 5:53 pm

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    Mike…Thanks for sharing your insight. I appreciate your views. Like you, I followed his career for years and didn’t base my judgment on his brief NBA career alone. I hope he becomes a star because I was in school, rooting for the Warriors last title team in … 1974-75! They’re due for a run of success and they need a star to do that. TED

    November 26th, 2012 6:06 pm

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    Clasik808…Thanks for the info. I really appreciate your thoughts. Dunleavy’s a Duke guy and, my hunch, is your a North Carolina guy. So, I’ll just point out that Dunleavy’s career has been OK. I always felt like he was in the wrong place at the wrong time … a guy who became a default No. 3 overall lottery pick. Too many expectations I don’t think he was ever going to live up come with going No. 3 overall but … he best suited what the Warriors needed at that point. Stay in touch. Ted

    November 26th, 2012 6:09 pm

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    Aaron…I appreciate you taking the time to read. It’s pretty easy to write weeks into what has been a slump for Klay Thompson that what I wrote about him being a star weeks AGO is baffling. I didn’t claim anything about “many coaches” saying anything…you rewrote the column. But, hey, you’ve weeks to do so, right? Just to explain how it works…I wrote the column some weeks back. Now, I’ll wait and see how it plays out. I’m not trying hard to see anything. Your four-game sample size stats about Thompson and Barnes don’t have anything to do what I wrote weeks ago, right? FYI: Capital letters don’t make your points any more valid. Honest. They’re fine with upper and lower case letters. TED

    November 26th, 2012 6:13 pm

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    Zakk…Thanks for giving me words to mark. They are duly marked. I still insist Barnes looked smaller than advertised…looks smaller than 6-foot-8. How can you tell ME that what I think I see isn’t what I think I see? I’ll leave it to you to track the double-doubles and stuff before the All-Star break. I’ll be pleased if Barnes has a dozen because he’ll be helping turn the Warriors into winners. TED

    November 26th, 2012 6:15 pm

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